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Denise Berger

Great comments, Nancy. I appreciate the response. I have read the Through the Labyrinth. You might have even been the one to circulate it. In any case, I agree with all your points and, yes, stereotypes still exist and will always be part of society, but they do change and new ones get formed, based on averages, and women have to work hard at not feeding into our own stereotypes about ourselves. Needless to say, we have our work cut out for us.

Corbette Doyle

Great, great points, Nancy! Very insightful. I just skimmed a book a consultant gave me (her book) called "Smart Women, smart Choices: set limits and gain Control of your personal and professional life.". One of the points she makes is that successful women often get there by being in control - so we often "take" control, at work and at home and "carry" others because it becomes more expedient. This is not necessarily an issue of stereotypes, but I think it is a common coping mechanism that women adopt as a result of the issues you identify, Nancy.

Nancy Settergen

Hi Denise. I like your piece. Wish it were only our own stereotypical views of ourselves that created issues for women. While I agree that we can undermine ourselves, I do think that there are a lot of things we can't control and while we can't ever suggest that gender stereotypes are the reason we can't succeed, I believe we have to be very aware that they exist and we have to make the extra effort (once again) to be accepted despite their existence. Have you read Through the Labyrinth by Linda Carli and Alice Eagly? I heard Linda speak at an APIW event and she was basically saying her research demonstrates that the stereotypes and barriers are there for women (and others) and we have to work our way through and around them because they aren't changing anytime soon - at least until there are enough women in the senior roles that we have our own networks and the stereotypes diminish or woman can be recognized as falling along a spectrum like men do - the variances from average, as you suggest. One of the most interesting stereotypes she described was that women are expected to help others and men are not. Thus, women who help others get no credit for doing it (because of course they should be doing it anyway) and men who help others get ENORMOUS credit because of course no one expects them to. I have to admit that this is one of those stereotypes that I hold and I get frustrated when the successful women I know don't help out with our initiatives. But heck, why should they if the men don't and particularly when these much more successful women than I probably recognize they will get no credit (in the development of their careers) for doing it anyway?

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